So I got in on the group buy from Ziggy. I was wondering who is running what? As far as the fluid goes. I've been looking at a few different sites and it seems everyone says to run something different.

So what are you going to run or are running?
window washer fluid?
straight water?
mix your own?
straight meth?
Just looking for opinions to help me make a better decision.

I am going to start out using the windshield washer reservoir. I will see how that works first. Haven't really decided what mixture I am going to run yet. I still need to do some more research before I start using this kit.

I haven't ordered my kit yet because I missed the GB but I plan to also use the rear washer bottle and I am going to price out the difference between using washer fluid vs. buying the methanol by the 5-gallon pail and mixing myself. I will probably go with mixing myself though as my parents work at a paint store and will give me their pricing on it.

I will get distilled water from the store and mix it 50/50 in old washer fluid containers and likely keep a spare in the car at all times.

Everyone start researching Klotz fuel lube. Due to the extrememly abrasive properties of the Methanol its best to use some kind of lube.

I get my meth from Home Depot for $8 for a 4L jug, and I mix in distilled water. Be careful when using windshield washer fluid, as many of them contain detergents, and ALL have dyes in them. Most ppl now a days stay away from the "smurf piss".

I had WAY better results using a 50/50 meth/water mix as opposed to smurf piss which is supposedly 50/50 as well. I'll stick with the homebrew from now on. I'm going 75/25 this year anyways!

26 psi on 91 octane with the 50/50 - NO KNOCK

How long do you guys find it lasts. Say using a 50/50 mix and using the stock windshield washer reservoir. How often do you have to refill?

It depends how much you drive, how much you lay on the gas, city driving, highway driving, etc. If you have bought the kit, just put it in and find out for yourself.

I only used mine at the track last year but I made maybe 10-12 runs that day and used about 1/2 the rear reservoir (about 2L).

I just got mine in the mail today. I was reading through the manual that came with it. Where is everybody mounting there nozzles.

I as well use my rear tank for the resevoir. While it works well its smallish. I run 2 0.4mm nozzles, so that may be more than you might. Lots of people run one .7mm. Still ok tho, just keep your eye on it.

I don't use my injection for fuel, I have plenty of that should I need it. I use it to suppress knock and cool intake charges. I have found no difference between the cheapest windshield washer fluid and half methanol half distilled water.

Use the cheapest fluid tho, it is just alchohol and water with minimal dye. The more expensive stuff is more blue and may contain other things you don't need or want.

As for lube, if you have a pump and solenoid rated for methanol, there should be no need for any additives. And in the small quantities that you should be injecting it shouldn't hurt the engine itself. Its only on when you are in boost and pumping thru lots of fuel and air. And then only for a few seconds at a time.

Installed mines a few days ago, and just got to drive it yesterday. All I can say is, 25 psi and no knock and 22 degrees of timing by redline. I bought the 4 quart tank and I easily finished 1 litre with a lot of hard driving and tuning, but I usually don't drive like that so it should last longer. The car is pulling much much harder than before, like it did on race gas, pretty much the same effect.
I have a nice big intercooler I installed over the winter so I am using a 75/25 ratio meth/water as cooling isn't much of a problem.

Also installed the M10 nozzle, and I think thats good enough for the evo3 16g, once I go bigger turbo will install the M12 that came with the kit. I picked up Methyl Hydrate which you can easily get from Cnd tire or Home depot. Its 99.9% methanol.

All I can say one of the best mods I've done so far, and the engines just loves it and the car pulls like it doesn't want to stop. I'm pretty sure it can take more boost, as I am getting 0 knock and crazy ass timing!

So, I am courious as that what people are chooseing for there meth.
WHere are you getting it and what namebrand?
I will be needing it soon.

I can't wait to install it!! I am going to get everything hooked up without the nozzle first, to tune the car without the meth, then add the juice.

Going to be running an E316G with a 22X9X3 FMIC and 780cc injectors. After she's all tuned with little to no knock, I am going to tap the TB elbow for the nozzle and go from there.

Why tune twice?

I guess one reason is to see out of curiosity just how much more boost can be run, and how the fuel tuning changes, once the meth is added.

Another would be to keep a good non-meth tune in your back pocket for running dry.

Well what octane gas are you using? Methanol has an octane rating of 117 . The higher the octane, the higher the resistance to detention. I'm like Reza, I let my huge IC do it's job and I take advantage of the extra octane. Shiit, I barely use water anymore, 20% at most M15 nozzle here

Zacktley

I want to tune twice to get a good base tune and then up the anty.

"I guess one reason is to see out of curiosity just how much more boost can be run, and how the fuel tuning changes, once the meth is added."

That, I'll buy, and agree with... Don't get me wrong, I wasn't saying Ryan SHOULDN'T. Just curious as to why. Tinkering.. it's in all of us, apparently.

"Another would be to keep a good non-meth tune in your back pocket for running dry."

Unless you can switch back and forth based on a float switch, or pressure switch (in the WI injection line), this won't help you if you "run dry" at WOT.

Hook up a boost controller bypass based on a float switch. Run out of water/meth and you're down to 8 psi. (Or whatever your wastegate spring is). That should be enough to keep the knock knasties away.

^^^
By "running dry", I meant continuously.
Disable the WI, and go back to the non-meth tune.

I'd say that float/bypass is essential, I don't think I'd run WI without it.

Anyone have any pictures of the nozzles and how it's connected? I think I'm missing a fitting or two.

I still dont see here what everyones useing.
And I have my own dyno. So I will be tuneing without meth at first at 13psi.
Then once I am happy with that I will go up with the boost till I get knock. So I know how far I can go without meth for when I do run out and still be safe.
And then the meth will be added and continue up from there.
I might get it on the dyno this weekend and tune it at the 13 psi its set at now. Just to have it done.

Sorry about the crap ass photo Tim. I took it with my cell. The 90 degree elbow goes outside the I/C pipe and the nozzel goes on the inside and screw into the elbow. I do believe there is a washer that goes in there as well. I just now remembered about that. There were I believe 2 washers included so it will be one of those. Hope this helps somewhat.

Yes, I wanna learn what it does when I add it. I like to tinker, and very much into the "lets see what happens when I do... THIS"

Guessing a float switch isn't incl. with our kit eh? I want to run with a float switch so my engine doesn't go BANG at 26PSI with no Meth.

Ahhh... Methanol injection... the LEGAL NOS.

Ryan W, thanks!

Can you take a picture of the fitting used to feed the pump from the tank as well? Is it a 1/4 NPT 90deg push fitting?

float switches ARE available as an option..$24.95 plus taxes

Tim, The picture is pretty self explanatory. The fitting going into the tank obviousley taps into the bottom of the tank. They are all push fittings. Notice where the washer goes between the fitting and the tank. Keep in mind that there is an input and output to the pump (as stressed in the manual). Make sure the fluid will be flowing in the direction of the arrows on the top of the pump.

Just a curious question. If you can turn the system on and off by a switch (assuming its called the floating switch?) When would you spray? During boost or before boost? Is it safe to have it spray during idle? All the time?

During boost. (Most set the boost switch for approx. 1/2 their boost pressure.)

Safe during idle? Yes. No reason for it though.

All the time? How big of a reservoir are you using!?

Is this the progressive switch you are referring to?

Yes

thanx guys. I was kind of worried if you start spraying before you boost, you might do some kind of damage to your engine.

No. It is the pressure switch that comes with the base kit.

IE: I run 24 psi of boost. I set the switch to turn the water injection on ~12psi.

I read that some people installed the pump in the spare tire location. Just wondering where you can tap the power source near there. Also, does anyone have any pics of this install? Or any pics of any kind of install. I just ordered the kit from Ziggy and wondering what would be the best the cleanest look.

thnx

I installed mines under the hood. 4 litre tank right infront of the transmission, next to the coolant overflow bottle. I found this to be a nice location, lots of room and the air filter is right on top of it so its stealthy. The pump is mounted right infront of the battery box. I am probably using 4 feet of tubing from the reservoir to the pump, then less than 1 foot of tubing from the pump to the nozzle in the UICP. All the wiring and boost switch is right next to the pump as well. Its a very short route for the meth and it works well.

I run the rear squirter resevouir as the tank, the pump is behind the panel behind the drivers seat(side panel), and the soleniod is on the firewall. All lines are hidden as best as possible, and all wiring too. Nozzles are tapped into the upper intercooler pipe, after the bov.

What would be the best nozzle to use for my application. I have 9:1 pistons and using the EVO 16G @ 19 psi and a front mount intercooler and 650 injectors. I'm kind of scared of hydro locking my engine since water doesn't compress that well.

thanx guys

got any pics?

I got the Devils own kit now and the nozzle part is different from what I expected. Since the nozzle has to be installed from the inside, do you guys feel that it is very secure from air leaks and how often to you have to replace the washers you figure.

It is pretty secure once you tighten it up. I haven't done a boost leak test yet. I guess if you don't mess up the washer it can be reused if your changing nozzles. Maybe Ziggy has some extra washers, unless you can get them from somewhere else.
I have pics of my setup, just don't have any place to host them.

can you email the pics please. Currently a friend has an extra set of nozzles from SnowPerformance and I'm thinking about installing those instead. Not too sure yet. I'd ahve to wled on a bung for those nozzles.

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