Good to know, atleast there are some options. I was planning on running its own tank but I was curious, I guess if I was to tapp into the factory resevoir & run my own meth/water mix, this wouldn't have any effect on the factory washer pump, wipers, exterior paint etc if I was to spray/use it to wash the windows? If I was using a 50/50 mix, guess its basically what you normally spray on the windshield, without the detergents & dye.

How far away from the thorttle body have you guys mounted the nozzle with best results?

I was thinking further away with larger nozzles would be ideal, giving it more time to mix with the air, with a more equal delivery to all cylinders. I`ll probably be running the m12 nozzle.

Mines mounted about 8-10 inches away from the throttle body.

Anybody running with a nozzle installed in the throttle body elbow?

The -40 seems to work fine for me, but I'm only running about 19* of timing at 6000 rpm at 25 psi of boost. I'm using No Name wiper fluid. Also, it's all I've ever run, so I have no basis for comparison.

With the EVO 3 16G, my "software" dyno (take it with a grain of salt, but it's the best tuning tool I have) tells me the turbo doesn't make any more power at 27 psi than it does at 24 psi.

M7 nozzle right now. I just switched from a 2G maf to a MAFT so my tuning is a little off right now. I'm not sure what A/F ratio I'm running at the moment, but it looks like I can add some more timing in.

You'll probably find that timing makes a BIG difference, while A/F ratio doesn't. If you need to run richer to add timing (too a point, but, isn't that what tooooning is all about? finding that "point"?) you'll make more power.

Todd: when I added the MAFT/GM MAF (a couple days ago) I placed the GM MAF in my UIC pipe, after the BOV. Doing so caused me to move my WI nozzle to the TB elbow. I've found no difference. It's about 3" away from the TB. It used to be about 8" away.

Steve, I had mines set at 25 psi and it felt great. I cranked the boost upto 29 psi and it didn't feel like I gained much more so I figured it was producing more heat. So I figured more cooling and more meth would give me more power.

M14 nozzle now and I can definately feel the extra torque when it hits 29 psi. The difference b/w the spike to 29psi and just 25 psi solid is quite noticable. Before the M14 I was seeing just a few counts of knock when hitting 29 psi, but now zero and still 22-23 degrees timing by redline. I get some nice torque steer (depending on road conditions) in 2nd now when the boost hits 29 psi.

To be quite honest I would have put in an M15 if Ziggy had one, but M14 is the largest.

I definately feel more power at 27 psi than 24 psi. Try an M10 or bigger, you won't go back

If I was running a bigger turbo than this, I don't think I would be using anything less than 2 x M10's.

I was running one M15, but now I have two M14s on the way!

Now thats what I'm talkin about

i have cooligmist.com setup...

and i run 50 meth 50 bottled water...

i got a resovior tank from a vw jetta in the scrapyard 4L

it last forever....

i bought a 5 gal bucket of methanol brand new from a fuel place in kitchener....and i barly am even into it...lol

i made 10 pulls 460hp on the dyno....and i sued 1/8 of the 4L

it works amazing....

alot of power and you can run at least 5lbs more boost...and the exhaust smells like a nitro car...lol

worth every cent!!!

and braging right galore..lol

I was wondering where all the 2g's are hiding their pump?

I installed my pump underneeth the spare tire, beside stock washer tank. I taped into the tank, and followed the brake lines up to the engine bay.

Pictures of installs are always good . Pretty please with cheese on top?

I got my 1G all connected as well. Very discreet and hidden unless you start tearing the car apart. I'll snap pictures and host for Mr. Langskin's 2G if he says it's cool.

My old 95 had the pump installed UNDER the spare, between the washerfluid tank and the front of that little area in the trunk. I used a juice jug type container on the passenger side of the trunk area. You would never think I was using that to inject into the upper intercooler pipe.

For my 97 I picked up a tank from coolingmist.com that holds the pump directly in the center of itself. Neat little setup. Not so hidden, but alot more professional. I'll be installing that again in the weeks to come.

I noticed with 550s and a small 16g that I would get full timing (21 degrees) on my s-afc tuned setup. Ran a 12.95 @ 104.32 at luskville.

Pics would be great I had heard of others using the spare tire compartment but without the spare in there. I'll have to see what I can work out with the spare in there.

My other question is on the Devilsown nozzle, sounds like the washer is supposed to be installed on the inside, is this what everyones doing? Then you just tighten the black fitting down until it pulls the nozzle in snug? Is everyone taping the pipe as well?

Looks like they sent me the M3, M5, M10 & M12 nozzles. Currently set at 19 psi & have to remove up to 4 deg timing in mid range to prevent knock w/ low 10's air/fuel. Want to run 22-24 psi, without removing any timing & lean it out abit (~11 to 1). Do you think the M5 will allow me to do this or should I go with the 10?

The spare tire fits perfectly over the pump how I mounted it. Here`s some quick pics i took. I did a rough tune last night with my m7 nozzle. I have a 50 trim with 850`s, and got it up to 24 psi with high 10`s low 11`s a/f ratio no knock at all. Im gonna go out to the track tonight and see if i can get it dialed in a little better.

If anyone can host some pics for me, let me know and I'll send you pics of my underhood setup.

For the 1G's, I have mine mounted on the rear panel to access the light bulbs for the rear passenger brake light.

I have a 90 tsi fwd, I have install the pump in the trunk behind the panel on the driver side.

I am using the stock reservor and it is pretty small(around a quart) and it does not last long.

Since this install I could run more psi,more timming and less fuel.

That was one of the best mod for the buck.

I have a picture if someone want to put it for me, dont know how.

Steve

I have put the washer in the inside, I have tapped the throttle body elbow and I just put the ratchet in the pipe and hold the black fitting with my hand or a key.

I have start running with the m5 and now I have the m7, I will try the m10 sometimes dont loose your time with the m3 with your setup.

Steve

Here is some pics of my install. I've installed the pump where the stock IC used to be.

So I can just use the stock windsheild washer fluid resevoir in my trunk right? I mean I don't have nozzles in my carbon fibre hood anyway. Then as a bonus I get the benefit of having an in dash low fluid indicator and already have a line running to the engine bay to use.

You can use the factory resevoir, thats what I ended up doing. The pump fits nicely in the front portion of the spare tire well, under the spare, like the pics Eric posted. If you want to use the low level light that comes stock, make sure you mount the nozzle inlet low enough, so the light comes on first. I guess you could rig something up to use one of the factory holes, since you no longer have washer jets but if you can't work that, I placed my fitting in the very back center of the tank on the lowest portion that was a verticle wall (placed it on the backside of the tank,as the liquid will run to the back under acceleration). There isn't quite enough surface area to get the washer thats included to sit flush, so I just gound the one side abit flat & used some goop to ensure a good seal. I wanted to make sure I'd see the light before the meth got to low so this seemed like the best location.

As for the line from factory, you shouldn't use that. Its just a rubber line & the pumps for these kits produce around 150psi.

I was planning on running the line under the car with the other lines as I didn't think going through the car interior was the best idea, what are others doing here?

Edit: Was also wondering what air/fuel ratio everyones running on there setup? I believe people run 12 or so to 1 but I didn't want to run mine that lean for DD (will for the track). Was thinking more like 11 to 1. Now I know leaner air/fuel will make more power but my question is if I was running the same air/fuel ratio on both straight pump & then with water/meth injection, would there be any decrease in performance?

Ah that's a lot of pressure. Thanks Daren, makes sense.

Has anyone from this post tried to connect an LED light to the pump? I tapped into the main power wire from the pump and tapped it into an existing alarm LED. Doesn't seem to work. Do I need to get a separate LED for the pump?

^^^
12v is probably too much for the LED.
Put a 500ohm resistor between the pump power and the LED.
I don't know if having the alarm on that same positive is going to be a problem, also where the ground goes might matter too.

I am running in the low 11 a bit leaner in the upper rpm but my car is not friendly with knock.

What do you mean by running the same AF, if you run the same AF but with more boost and more timming you sure will be making more power.

Steve

Currently, I'm running in the 11 A/F range, but my timing is set for 3 degrees lower at WOT( base set at 3 degrees). Now that I am running meth, would it be ok to increase the base setting and run a higher timing as well? I'm running higher comp pistons (9:1)

With a 1G, increase timing until you see knock.

So if you increase timing 3*, and see knock at 5500 RPS of 1* of retard, decrease timing 1* etc...

No I wasn't refering to running more boost or timing (I obviously know you will make more power increasing these & is the reason why I will be running it). I just ment if the car had the exact same tune with & without meth & running the same A/F ratio would they still make the same power or would there be a change? I was wondering this because it sounds like the stoich value of meth is 6.4 vs the 14.7 for gas. I was wondering if this would cause the issue & have also heard because of this, it will throw your wideband readings off abit as well, as you are injecting a different type of fuel?

Yes, try to add that timing back in. With the additiona of meth, the addition of more timing vs pump shound be no problem.

I have an out of topic question:
I purchase a methanol kit from ziggy with an addition of the control unit from Snow Performance.

I was just wondering if running alchy/methonal/water injectrion is illegal?

Should I hide things (i know of many people that have been getting stoped by the cops) and my worst nightmare is getting a cop to ask me to pop the hood and have to explain all the goodies

tkx

Lets just say that if you can get a fine for an aftermarket tail pipe or anything that is replaced that is not stock. So, I believe it is better to hide things and make it look clean then to show it off.

I would think it would be mandatory. The higher the octane the slower the burn. By increasing your octane you are in fact retarding your timing. That is why when people throw in race gas they bump thier timing a lot, not becuase they can, but because they should.

Thanx, never really thought of that or knew. Makes sense now.

Some information for this thread:

A stock 1G front windshield washer reservoir will last exactly 2 minutes with an M15 nozzle at 120 psi. And the spray pattern is the same whether at 60 psi or 120 psi.

Finally got the LED light installed. Been trying to tap the alarm LED so I didn't have to install another LED but finally gave up and installed another one. I put the LED light right next to he boost gauge so I can see when the pump is actually turning on.

^^^ Thats exactly what I was planning on doing. Finally got my system all hooked up. Used the factory resevoir & tapped the tank at the lowest portion at the rear, that I could. I started with the M5 nozzle as I didn't want a completely different tune on meth, just incase it ever fails (though I may go larger if need be)

Was able to take it for a quick spin tonight, pre meth was able to only run 19 psi & had to remove up to 4 deg of timing to keep the knock minimal. First pull with the same setting, zero knock. Put the timing sliders back to zero, no knock. Leaned out the fuel abit & got a small blip, upped the boost to 21 psi & got 1 or 2 small blips (less then 1 deg). My plan is to run 22 or maybe 24 psi daily.

I was wondering if anyone had experience with the crappy tire -45 fluid? Thats all I could find, I tried for the Supertech (believe its called) but Wallie mart only had the summer formula. Does anyone know if the stuff I'm running is close to a 50/50 mix or? I probably just get my own & mix up & see if there's a difference. I believe its menthyl hydrate (spelling?) I need?

The one other thing, does anyone know what pressure the pumps come set at? I believe you can adjust them, has anyone done so & is this okay to do or just leave it at factory pressure?

Can anyone tell me if I'd be better off switching the WI on based on boost pressure, or grams/rev (airflow)?

I think that triggering off of boost would be more consistent. In my logs I've found conditions where I would be in the highest fuel/timing map at different boost levels.

I have my WI triggering on in the following coditions:

TPS>75%
RPM>3000
Boost>2bar(~15psi)

Still tuning it though. You could also toss is a check for if the car is moving, that would disable the WI if you're using the studderbox.

Later, Vlad.