Re: $10k to put towards upgrades
#4894
February 19, 2006 04:13 pm UTC
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Mike Jackson
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Well you didn't tell us what your car is but if it's the 90 GSX in your profile I have a simple answer for you. I woun't put $10k into a 1990 GSX. Seriously if you did and sold the car a couple years later you'd maybe get $4000 for it total. $10k into a car worth $2k tops is not really a great idea. JMHO.
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Re: $10k to put towards upgrades
#4895
February 19, 2006 04:18 pm UTC
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Nigel Smith
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Originally posted by Ian Burnside: If everything works out how I've planned, I will have roughly 10K to spend towards my car before next spring. If you had 10k to spend toward your car, how would you spend it? Assuming you have a decent car to build on, Id put 2000 or so into having a tranny built by one of the pro's down south, along with 700 for a new clutch and flywheel. 1000 or so for your choice of big turbo (lots to choose from... Forced Performance is where I'd put my money though... 500 for your choice of big fuel pumps and large injectors... 600 for DSMlink to control that big fuel system, and the other goodies it offers. 300 for an Eprom ECU assuming you dont have one. 1000 or so for a custom FMIC with full 2.5" or 3" piping, and possibly a MAF-T or 2g MAF w/e floats your boat. 500ish for a custom built 3" mandrel bend exhaust Now for the engine, you can easily get into spending thousands and thousands building an engine, what I would do if you have a strong block to work with is build the head to your liking, possibly a set of cams, and of course all new gaskets and fasteners, this should run you 1500-2000 bucks I would say if done professionally. Aside from that there are countless things you can do to spend your cash, and I'm sure you will find alot of them... IMO though its better to take things one step at a time rather than buy everything at once and slap it all on... Take your time and enjoy the car, since thats what its really all about anyways.
Past 1992 Tsi AWD 1992 Tsi 14.30@100 Stock w/ MAF-T 1992 Tsi AWD 13.03@105 1.71 60' 1991 Tsi AWD
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Re: $10k to put towards upgrades
#4896
February 19, 2006 04:21 pm UTC
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Nigel Smith
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Originally posted by Mike Jackson: Well you didn't tell us what your car is but if it's the 90 GSX in your profile I have a simple answer for you. I woun't put $10k into a 1990 GSX. Seriously if you did and sold the car a couple years later you'd maybe get $4000 for it total. $10k into a car worth $2k tops is not really a great idea. JMHO. I totally agree with Mike, but I was having fun with putting some numbers out there, theres been lots of people who have spent thousands and thousands only to have their cars never run right, and they end up parting it out and losing their shirts.
Past 1992 Tsi AWD 1992 Tsi 14.30@100 Stock w/ MAF-T 1992 Tsi AWD 13.03@105 1.71 60' 1991 Tsi AWD
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Re: $10k to put towards upgrades
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February 19, 2006 07:12 pm UTC
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Mike Jackson
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That's all we are saying. $10k is a chunk of change so make sure you really want to spend it on a 16 year old car. Sorry I know some kids that as soon as they get some cash it goes into thier cars. Cars are a black hole for money. These guys would be so much better off spending it on something else in thier lives but they are compelled to spend it on thier cars. In the end there's a lot more important things in life then cars . Just a word of caution from an old guy who's been there done that. Anyway if you are serious and a true enthusiast I wish you all the luck. Here are a couple options: Level 1$600-EVO16G $300-550 injectors $300-S-AFC 2 $1000-clutch/flywheel $1000-quality FMIC $1000-suspension $1000-rims/tires $1000-turbo back exhaust $400-264/264 HKS regrinds $100-2G MAF and airfilter $200-2G exhaust manifold $100-MBC $100-fuel pressure regulator and gauge $200-3G lifters $200-Boost gauge, EGT Save the rest for maintanance and repairs. This level is easy to tune and the stock unmodified engine will have no issues if tuned right. 20 psi and low to mid 12s on pump is no problem. This is the best choice for the average joe enthusiast. Don't go much bigger in injector size with the S-AFC. The injectors then limit the turbo choice but the EVO16G has very little lag and can flow a lot of air. Level 2$1200-turbo (50-1, 60-1 etc) $300-720 injectors $800-DSMLink $1000-clutch/flywheel $1000-quality FMIC $1000-suspension $1000-rims/tires $1000-turbo back exhaust $800-264/272 HKS cams $100-2G MAF and airfilter $200-turbonetics exhaust manifold or custom tubular $100-MBC $100-fuel pressure regulator and gauge $200-3G lifters $200-Boost gauge, EGT $400-Wideband o2 sensor $400-Metal HG and ARP headstuds Save the rest for maintanance and repairs. This is a little bit more of a step in the tuning department but not nearly as bad as a stand alone. More power is available with the bigger turbo but with more lag. The metal HG and ARPs are a good idea. Level 3$1200-turbo (50-1, 60-1 etc) $300-720 injectors $1500-AEM Engine Management System $1000-clutch/flywheel $1000-quality FMIC $1000-suspension $1000-rims/tires $1000-turbo back exhaust $800-264/272 HKS cams $200-GM MAP and airfilter $200-turbonetics exhaust manifold or custom tubular $100-MBC $100-fuel pressure regulator and gauge $200-3G lifters $200-Boost gauge, EGT $400-Wideband o2 sensor $400-Metal HG and ARP headstuds Save the rest for maintanance and repairs. This is getting serious. The AEM EMS is challenging but rewarding. It is not for the novice. You might need to save for stronger engine internals as well. Not sure if I missed anything.
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Re: $10k to put towards upgrades
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February 19, 2006 09:24 pm UTC
February 19, 2006 09:24 pm UTC
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Pat Cheang
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I certainly like level 3. How does the saying go? "Go big or go home?"
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Re: $10k to put towards upgrades
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February 19, 2006 09:25 pm UTC
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Mike Jackson
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But a standalone isn't for the green tuner .
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Re: $10k to put towards upgrades
#4903
February 19, 2006 10:46 pm UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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10G's = 4 B's and the H to go with it
Boost T3/T4 with 44mm wastegate EBC Tubular Mani
Bang Rebuild the engine, stroke it to 2.4L Injectors, Port the head, dual springs, 1mm valves, HKS 264/272's, 3G lifters.
Blow 3" Mandrel Bent FMIC with 2.5" piping MAP Intake
Brains DSMLink Guages to monitor WTF is going on Turbo Timer SAFC-II
Handling Suspension Bushings Sway Bars Tires/Rims Clutch/Fidanza
K, so I'm probably WAY over 10G's... but you get the idea.
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Re: $10k to put towards upgrades
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February 19, 2006 11:17 pm UTC
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Mike Jackson
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Originally posted by Ian Burnside: Don't think I'll be going for stage 3 but i say that now. I want something quick and somewhat reliable. I'm sure once i get really into I won't be able to stop. I could care less if my car was the fastest, i just love the looks of these cars. More so the 1G than the others. I'd say something close to Stage 1 then. It will be reliable and you don't need to be a rockets scientist to tune it. I forgot to add a datalogger to the list of stage 1 and brakes to all the stages.
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Re: $10k to put towards upgrades
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February 19, 2006 11:31 pm UTC
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Nigel Smith
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Curious, is your car stock right now? I think its important we know your current state of mods... FYI, with AWD you can EASILY run mid 13's with less than a grand in mods, if you chose mods correctly, log your ecu feedback, and actually know how to make sense of all the pretty graphs. I say this because going from stock to mid 13's will probably tide you over for a season.
Past 1992 Tsi AWD 1992 Tsi 14.30@100 Stock w/ MAF-T 1992 Tsi AWD 13.03@105 1.71 60' 1991 Tsi AWD
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Re: $10k to put towards upgrades
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February 19, 2006 11:56 pm UTC
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Ghislain Goudreau
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I would get a Walbro 255, AFPR and larger Injectors. Control all of this with DSMLink.
That would be a good base to start with.
Pick up a larger Turbo (EVO16G is a good start) with a FMIC and the Piping.
Add on a WB and ditch the NOS.
All of this does not even come to $10 000.
Trow in some Rims and Tire and you'll be all pimped up.
Ghislain.
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Re: $10k to put towards upgrades
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February 20, 2006 10:09 pm UTC
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Troy Jollimore
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You're giving them sound financial advice, Mike? Come on! Where's your spirit of adventure?!?
Seriously, you and I know that we could have just bought something like a Corolla that is dependable, even to throw a bit at it to make it handle better... and then watch your bank balance grow. Use the money on RRSPs, investments and trips to Mexico...
But seriously, even thinking of how many of those trips I could have had when I was young and single... would the experience have been the same as owning something like a turbo DSM?
If I had it to do over again, even knowing what I know now...I'd buy the car all over again.
So if it's $10k you got to waste, and don't care, throw it into the car! You'll NEVER get it back, but it'll be a fun investment if you don't kill yourself. Otherwise, put half into the car, and half into an investment or something that you can grow into more money.
Or take a trup down to Cancun during Spring Break. YOWZA!!!
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Re: $10k to put towards upgrades
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February 20, 2006 10:15 pm UTC
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Andrew Bienhaus
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Do what Ghislain said... and put the rest in the bank. Seriously. Tune one part, get the car running well, and then investigate what to do next. The DSMLink is a building block, and tuning tool, for ANY stage of engine. Besides, it would suck to dump all of the cash in, only to discover a month later, that you had a spun bearing or something, and no way to pay for the repairs. --- As a nosey sideline... where's the cash coming from?
Andrew Bienhaus Bring on the Cobras... she's hungry for snakemeat.
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Re: $10k to put towards upgrades
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February 20, 2006 10:43 pm UTC
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Mike Jackson
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To my car? I'd just get brakes. If I was really motivated I might build up my motor. I'm fairly satisfied with the current state of my car . I have other things to spend that kind of money on now a days (if I had it).
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Re: $10k to put towards upgrades
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February 20, 2006 11:36 pm UTC
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Noah Wiles
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Originally posted by Mike Jackson: To my car? I'd just get brakes. If I was really motivated I might build up my motor. I'm fairly satisfied with the current state of my car You mean you like how it's spread all over your garage in peices? If I had 10k, which I don't, I'd buy a new car. Ian, you should really get the cash in the bank before you start your plans. You'll be surprised what else you spend your cash on and how quickly it disappears.
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