Since nothing seems to be happening, Marco will rent London this summer and do our own shootout. There won't be any entry fees, and he will do a BarBq with free beer. He reserved a Motel for anyone wanting to stay over. That's going to be free too.

Magnus rocks.

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Michel
it's going to be ready tomorrow, I promise
http://www.azur.qc.ca/rallye

[This message has been edited by Michel Brais (edited February 11, 2000).]

Did u say free bbq?? Cound BIG BEAR in!!!
This would be kool get together!!

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DSM Powered Hyundai

GO LEAFS GO!!!!!

Sounds too good to be true though hehe



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DSM Powered Hyundai

GO LEAFS GO!!!!!

WOAH, everybody hold it!

Good idea tho, who wants to do the shootout in london? cause I can get dibs on a date right now, I would suggest some of you see if you can get some american talent to come up. But I wouldn't limit it to only DSM.

But its a good idea if you guys are srious we can do something.

Word im 100% in !

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DSM Powered Hyundai

GO LEAFS GO!!!!!

I think we should have an event of some description. We need someone who has organized things like this before to lead the way, maybe Marco's the person to do that!
How about a DSM takes on the world event? Invite anyone to show and go up agianst us eg F bodies, Honda's, Fords etc. No need for prizes or pay outs just bragging rights

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'91 Laser RS Turbo-"Sound Advice" guy.
www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/5051
Turbo + Intercooler = The replacement for Displacement

That's a great idea Michel! And can Marco make an ice rink with snow bank all around (Artificial ice and snow would be fine) So I can for officialy be the one that is the best at getting stuck in snow banks???

Seriously I would be there for sure!!! Even if I have to pay for the beer!


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Frank
Real thirsty 92 Laser RS TURBO AWD

I'm all over it!!

But, wouldn't Cayuga be better?? (Ya, right! )

Seriously, I don't care if it's just DSM, or us against everybody. Gimme a date.. I'm there!!

P.S. - Michel: By the sounds of it, you were at the last T.O. monthly meeting. This EXACT thing ws mentioned!!

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1992 Eagle Talon Tsi FWD
Superiority after 60'..


ICQ # 9622983
www3.sympatico.ca/steve.kinnaird

I'm there. Just tell me when.

Later...

Word

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RºªD PïG
1991 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
WORLDS FIRST CAR WITH PINK GAUGES

I'm there too

Would Shannonville be a better idea though, and then the Ottawa/Montreal guys/chicks could come too. And we could party our asses off all night!

Maybe it could be an import thing, or maybe a turbo thing.

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Fast & Awesome Handling
'90 AWD
$h!tbox

Yeah! Marco, do it! I'll be there!

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Marta
dsmgrrrl@hotmail.com
92 Talon TSi AWD

Count me in!!!

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Francois Villeneuve
Le Talon
Working on it...

Well, a function in my backyard that sounds to good to be true. If you need someone to do anything to help set it up let me know.(I'm about 20min from the strip!) That is drag strip not strip bar mind you we could do that to if there is an interest!

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95 Talon TSI AWD
Sean Markham

I'm in!!
Just make it later in the summer to allow for upgrades and tuning!!

Cool.....

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Thanks,
John Armas
91 Talon TSi AWD #19472
1/4=13.70@101.9mph
**This Car Just Keeps Getting Faster and Faster**

Now I know some of you Know some DSM members in the states, It would be good If every one of you could Throw the idea at them and see what they think? Point them to the thread too, If there is enough interest I can book now since I have already been offered prime dates that dont interfere with NIRA or IDRC dates, So get on it. I'm gonna put a pointer in the announcments thread cause I know not everybody looks at this thread.

...also cooler air late in summer

Hey - don't forget to invite the magazines!

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Fast & Awesome Handling
'90 AWD
$h!tbox

i am there!

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Live
Love
Eat
Sleep
Think
Drive
VW

90 TSI AWD, 10MPG, 0~100 in 5s
69 VW Beetle sunroof deluxe
45MPG,0~100 (n/a, it does not even reach 100)

I'm in 4sure!

Hell yea count me and the "riced" gvr4 in ..assumin it runs anyway

I'm in. I can see 12s all day long!

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...ian
'92 Galant VR-4 88/1000

Once we get a date picked, we can tell Todd Day, and have him slide it into the upcoming events section in the digest, and on the main DSM site..

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1992 Eagle Talon Tsi FWD
Superiority after 60'..


ICQ # 9622983
www3.sympatico.ca/steve.kinnaird

Sounds like a great idea. Count me in!

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Winged RsT
90 Laser Turbo FWD

Hey Pino.. can 19 second VW's join aswell? Can I atleast sit in someones DSM? Major withdrawl symptoms...

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Now officially DSM-LESS
nineteenpoundsallday
91 AWD tor-pw1.netcom.ca/~lowvolt/specs.html

w00t!

Im there

Alex

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93 Talon Tsi FWD

Great idea, I'm in.

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Joe Brown
silver '92 Talon TSI, awd

steve, how are yah man? long time no see.
your VW does it in 19? lucky you...mine does it in about a minute

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Live
Love
Eat
Sleep
Think
Drive
VW

90 TSI AWD, 10MPG, 0~100 in 5s
69 VW Beetle sunroof deluxe
45MPG,0~100 (n/a, it does not even reach 100)

Sign me up. All I need is a time and place. Shannonville would be cool, but anywhere in Ont. is OK. Is there a place to pitch a tent and do the bonfire thing at London?

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91 TSi AWD
88 MR2 SC
Ottawa

Hey Rob

Meet myself and my car buddies at Mosport on thier big weekends (Lemans & Trans Am). We drink , we watch racing, we drink , we eat , we drink , we have a bonfire, we drink , we bbq things, and we drink some more !
www.mosport.com

That goes for anyone else too!

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Fast & Awesome Handling
'90 AWD
$h!tbox

Count me in as well. Ive been racing at London for over 4 years now and I prefer that track over Kayuga any day. I dont how many of you have been there before but its great. The best part is that on regular race days its mostly domestics and you get to kick the sh!t out of em. Im in, Im in, Im in......lets do it boys

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4 cylinders under the hood leaves more room for horsepower!!

Count me in as well, sounds like a great idea

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laux3640@mach1.wlu.ca
92 Talon TSI AWD

Ok everybody wake up

How does july sound any takers any objections?

Marco,

Sounds like a plan Dan!

You supply the beer and the women...i'll bring the car....*wink*

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RºªD PïG
1991 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
WORLDS FIRST CAR WITH PINK GAUGES

last weekend in July would be nice....

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'91 Laser RS Turbo-"Sound Advice" guy.
www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/5051
Turbo + Intercooler = The replacement for Displacement

i agree with chris h.
last week end in july is great!

cool with me...



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Thanks,
John Armas
91 Talon TSi AWD #19472
1/4=13.70@101.9mph
**This Car Just Keeps Getting Faster and Faster**

I'll be there. Either as a spectator (if it's DSM only) or as a participant.

Is anyone going to the Sarnia/Grand Bend or Michigan drag race weekends in the summer?

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Allan
Mazda 626 1994
T3 super 60 turbo
RX7 FM intercooler
V6 2.5L KL03

July would be great for me too! I will have time to do some mods to my car!

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Frank
Real thirsty 92 Laser RS TURBO AWD

Wow, SteveK's already tossed a test message oevr at the digest... Good stuff.

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Allan
Mazda 626 1994
T3 super 60 turbo
RX7 FM intercooler
V6 2.5L KL03

July is good for me too....

I've gotten some support from the Michigan members already.. looks like they're up for it..

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1992 Eagle Talon Tsi FWD
Superiority after 60'..


ICQ # 9622983
www3.sympatico.ca/steve.kinnaird

Ok don't take what I say for granted... but if we come up with a fixed date I might be able to have really good prices on hotel rooms...

My current client is a travel wholeseller and can have some really good deals on hotel rooms.... I will have to talk to him about that but I guess in exchange of some sort of publicity he would be interested!


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Frank
Real thirsty 92 Laser RS TURBO AWD

Damn.

Set a date, and I'm in!

I'll talk to other people around here, maybe we can all head over... I'm quite sure myself and another guy can make it.

Not sure if I wanna drive for 35+ hours tho, might just fly out there and watch.

Anybody have any idea what a flight costs from Edmonton/Calgary down there?



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Darin Chalifoux
92 Laser AWD
"Fat guys can drive, too!"
Edmonton

http://www.cadvision.com/whitecd/CADSM/darin.html

Darin,
i think like 280-320 return, something like that might be less if they have some special on.

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DSM Powered Hyundai

GO LEAFS GO!!!!!

Bob Brown, are you going?

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Michel
it's going to be ready tomorrow, I promise
http://www.azur.qc.ca/rallye

I'm in!

Brett

Count me in!!

Im not sure what ill be driving then but ill be there watching either way!

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Peter Tarach
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/9907/
LaserLESSAGAINbut a whole pocket full of money!

My car should be back on the road long before then, next week i hope, so count me in

Michel wants to start World war III, hehe.
Nah just kidding, seriously u coming bobby?

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DSM Powered Hyundai

GO LEAFS GO!!!!!

It appears that the last weekend in July is good for the Michigan guys as well..(approx. 15 of them!)

So, can we book that weekend then, and I'll stop telling everyone (Alex Banducci's friend with a 16G's Probe is also interested.. I asume more Probe guys as well..) that the SUGGESTED date is the last weekend in July, and tell them it's THE date??

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1992 Eagle Talon Tsi FWD
Superiority after 60'..


ICQ # 9622983
www3.sympatico.ca/steve.kinnaird

Ok I will contact the people and tell them what you guys said, its in the works, in the meantime keep telling everyone you know. Cause I'm gonna direct them to this page, they'll see how much interest there is, so this thing can then be put together.

word?

for the people to the people
lame huh?

Marco, if you REALLY wanna kick ass event, plan it for a Saturday for the DSM cars with an Import (Like Import Society's event) on the Sunday so everyone from out of town can stay overnight, like the US shootout

And NOT the same weekend as Dark nights, please

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PurplePlymouthGuy
1992 Laser AWD
DSMentia support group leader...
so many mods, I don't remember if its 20G or 20g's

I *think* the last weekend in July is along weekend for us here in Alberta... not sure if that is across Canada or not.

The possiblilties are endless... :-)



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Darin Chalifoux
92 Laser AWD
"Fat guys can drive, too!"
Edmonton

http://www.cadvision.com/whitecd/CADSM/darin.html

sounds good to me I don't think I have anything booked for the end of July, yet...

and I've already proven if I bust my buggy in London, I can atleast get it towed home with the auto club

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93 Talon Tsi AWD
back from sabbatical
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Street/1125/

Craig, stop blowing it up, man.
Update....
"we" are currently trying to secure the date and make sure that we can get the comitment, I am not going to say when for sure the date is gonna be, just that the more you guys speak up the more credibility that this event is gaining. the "we" I am refering to has experience in handling these kind of events and promotions so this will take some of the stress of my back, and is very interested. also the response from you is very positive. i'll keep you posted

Well it official, there is no 2000 shootout in the U.S
Just means we are going to have to hold our own So how big of a show are we going to put on? Is this going to be full import race day or just DSM? Prizes? other events (autox, car show?) one or two days? questions, questions, questions!
We should also let those attending know that London or Cayuga fall far short of the ammeneties(sp?) of Norwalk.

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'91 Laser RS Turbo-"Sound Advice" guy.
www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/5051
Turbo + Intercooler = The replacement for Displacement



[This message has been edited by Chris Holmes (edited February 28, 2000).]

Somebody should post another message on the digest to keep the interest for our shootout.

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Michel
it's going to be ready tomorrow, I promise
http://www.azur.qc.ca/rallye

awww....dont make it for last weekend on July. Id be in Cali that time, checking out the import shows.

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Blue-Lighted
@$$-whooping-Grocery-Getter!
www.geocities.com/diamondracer




[This message has been edited by Joe Esmama (edited February 28, 2000).]

Why does it have to be "imports"? That sounds a bit restrictive to me. Couldn't it be DSM against the world? Mustangs, F-bodies, GNs and "imports" (that does mean Honda Civics, right?) As long as they're modern street cars, not back-halved 60s wonders, that would be fun!

Yes, no, maybe???

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Francois Villeneuve
Le Talon
Working on it...

Sounds good to me.. I'd love to take on some F-Bodies!!

Until we get a confirmed date, I don't think we're going to get a lot of interest from the digest. The Michigan guys are (obviously) in, as well as some Ford Probe guys, etc. but anyone long distance is probably going to want to know if and when before they start making plans..

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1992 Eagle Talon Tsi FWD
Superiority after 60'..


ICQ # 9622983
www3.sympatico.ca/steve.kinnaird

Um, that might not be a great idea Francois. Some guy in a non-tubbed Stang will run 8's or low 9's, and then every DSM there will look slow.

I agree with Peter. Why don't we just do imports ! There are plenty of Honda boys waiting to be tamed.

Count me in.

I better start thinking of tuning my beast!

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Reza
97 F2 TSi AWD
FRC FED

I have some friends in the F-Body crowd. I'm sure they'd love to join in.

If we want to call it a DSM event, but still allow other cars, how about this: Come in a DSM or come as the guest of a DSM. Require non-DSMs to have a Club DSM member invite or "sponsor" them (kind of like vouching for them that they're "cool"). That should keep the event "Private" & between friends

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Marta
dsmgrrrl@hotmail.com
92 Talon TSi AWD (take two)
and soon to be the "NV" of Quebec-DSM (figure *that* one out!)

We need a Shootout in Saskatchewan. A little more central for everyone. Too bad there aren't any tracks here.

I'm driving to a shootout no matter where the hell it is this year. I've wanted to go for the past two years, now I decided on it, and they go and cancel the thing. [grrrr...]

Calgary DSM can meet up with us Saskatchewanites and we'll all head down in a huge caravan. It'll be great!!

Count me in guys.

Who's making up a web page with the info?? Come on, one of you in CA.DSM who have at least BEEN to this track before. Stick up a quick and dirty info page and Todd will link to it as shootout.dsm.org.

Can't wait!!

Kevin Belitski
SASK.DSM.ORG http://www.cableregina.com/users/belitski

Marta... good idea I got a couple guys in mind... anyoone want to beat up on an 87 Grand National and a 97 Vette?

Later...

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Mike J

-Quadcylla-
92 Laser RS-T, FWD

Vortex Racing
http://www3.sympatico.ca/robin.jackson2/HomePage.htm

That sounds like a good idea Marta.

That way you can get at least half of the cars as DSMs. I do think you need to let in non-DSM guys and gals if you want a big turn out.

It'd be nice to have the F body guys and other domestics (GNs, Mustangs etc) show up too. But I hear Peter. Like it or not, the fastest domestic guys in the Ontario area are faster than the fastest import people (let alone DSM people) here.

You can make a stipulation that the cars be non-trailered and streetable. That should cut down the 8 second guys.

Ummm, oh ya. Someone bloody invite me then.

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Allan
Mazda 626 1994
T3 super 60 turbo
RX7 FM intercooler
V6 2.5L KL03

I'm in.

Good idea..

Hey Mike, think Johnny Boy is up for the challenge?



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93 Talon Tsi AWD -=Finally 16g'd!=-
91 Laser RS

Im gonna need a god damn invite too!!

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DSM Powered Hyundai

GO LEAFS GO!!!!!

Count me in, I'll drive up to 5 hours from Detroit.

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Matt
90 AWD

OOoooooooooooh yes DSM Shootout in Canada!

This time it will not take me half a day to go to Norwalk..can't wait to see all of you.

By the way if I can make a suggestion..just allow DSM car at the show..or DSM cousin like turbo Colt that would be cool too! just my 2cent !

Only half a day, Carl?? How fast were you going??? It took me 10.5 hours (I'd call that a whole day), averaging about 130kph!

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Marta
dsmgrrrl@hotmail.com
92 Talon TSi AWD (take two)
and soon to be the "NV" of Quebec-DSM (figure *that* one out!)

I dunno about that. The response I've seen from the DSM digest has been pretty tepid. I don't think you'll get a big enough crowd of participants to make it an 'event' if y'all restrict it to DSM only.

Seriously, how many DSM guys/gals show up at the Yorkdale meets or run at Caygua? Yeah, you get your group that DO go, but it ain't a huge amount of folk.

Even if you throw in all the rest of Canada, New York, Michigan etc., you may not get a huge turnout if it's DSM only. Besides, it'd be your chance to show others what your cars can really do. Who knows, open up some eyes over on the V8 crowd.

Yeah, I guess you'd want to keep it DSM focused and do the invite thing. But with Atmosphere Performance in Georgia (good shop -- they sent me two 16Gs all fine and dandy after fessing up on a mistake on shipping on their end -- they ate the shipping charge mistake) wanting to do a DSM shootout, I seriously doubt you'll get many US guys showing up other than Michigan/NY.

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Allan
Mazda 626 1994
T3 super 60 turbo
RX7 FM intercooler
V6 2.5L KL03

What about making it a bracket racing event with different classes? Say

15 and up
13-14.99
under 13

Bracket racing rewards the driver more than the car. So the 12.90 guy has a good chance against the 10 seconds guy (or gal, hey Marta?). Besides, pro-light quick 8 type of event is kind of strange unless you have REALLY fast cars...

We could make rules like : no tube or back-halved cars, no power adder (turbo or NOS) for the V-8 cars, must be registered and insured, etc...

Also, I find this whole "bring a V-8 pal" idea to be excellent!

Final tough. We shouldn't call is SHOOTOUT. We should come with an original name. Personally, I like the "DSM vs the world" I saw in one of the first posts. But then, I'm an old fart, so what do I know?

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Francois Villeneuve
Le Talon
Working on it...

Ok people please tell me where the heck do i fit in.

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DSM Powered Hyundai

GO LEAFS GO!!!!!

You're the "them" of the DSM vs them

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Michel
it's going to be ready tomorrow, I promise
http://www.azur.qc.ca/rallye

OHH its gonna haunt you!!:P hehe

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DSM Powered Hyundai

GO LEAFS GO!!!!!

I can't wait!!!!

You said no trailered car... can I still bring my laser on a trailer? it is insured and everything but you all know how reliable it is... and I don't want to get stucked there (or worst on the way there!!!) And if my car doesn't break it would be good to bring back Emmmanuel's car wich is sure to break (c't'une joke Manu!)


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Frank
Real thirsty 92 Laser RS TURBO AWD

OOOHHHH!!!
DSM Shootout! In my backyard!!! On My birthday!

I'll be the one running 12's all day with a big grin on my face, and a 2-4 waiting for the evening.

Count me in.


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92 Talon Tsi AWD
13.425@ 101.78mph
Finally hit the 13's!
It's working! By God, its Working!

In ur backyard? Damn thats a pretty big yard,plus i thought u lived in Toronto and not in London!!! haha

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DSM Powered Hyundai

GO LEAFS GO!!!!!

I certainly don't pretend to make the rules. It's Marco's event. I was just merely proposing stuff...

I'm sure someone from the organisation will come with a guideline and some basic rules.

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Francois Villeneuve
Le Talon
Working on it...